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Calc-41
Message #1 Posted by Matthias on 10 Oct 2004, 8:06 a.m.

In EduCALC 52, 1991 (p 52) I found a DOS software called "CALC-41" by Sparcom. It seems that this is some sort of Emul41 made in the 80th by Sparcom. Does someone knows this software?

Matthias

      
Re: Calc-41
Message #2 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 10 Oct 2004, 9:20 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Matthias

Hi Matthias,
I have it on two 3.5 floppy disks (one for the manual and the other for the emulator) with registration form, one page installation guide (!) another "welcome" page and a reprint from PC Magazine Feb. 16, 1988 with HP calculator emulators software review (it was their Editor's Choice, BTW).
Nothing more to say: today's emulators and simulators are way ahead of it.

Ah, it was formerly known as ELI-41 from Eclipse Logic.

Massimo

            
Re: Calc-41
Message #3 Posted by Matthias on 10 Oct 2004, 10:26 a.m.,
in response to message #2 by Massimo (Italy)

May I get it anyway?

Matthias

                  
Re: Calc-41
Message #4 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 10 Oct 2004, 12:50 p.m.,
in response to message #3 by Matthias

Quote:
May I get it anyway?

Since you asked so politely... ;-)

Seriously, I am reading debates about copyright everyday and I see this on the disks: "(c) Copyright 1986-90 by Tacit Logic Systems".
I don't know if (C) still applies to such material or not.

Should anybody provide evidence that Sparcom Co., da Vinci Tech., Tacit Logic Sys., EduCALC and who knows who else agreed to release such material I would be glad to provide a copy of software, manual, and scans of relative documentation to Dave (if interested) for inclusion on this site.

Greetings,
Massimo

            
Re: Calc-41
Message #5 Posted by Raymond Del Tondo on 10 Oct 2004, 2:49 p.m.,
in response to message #2 by Massimo (Italy)

Hi Massimo,

as you mentioned Eli-41:
Could it be that the package is Trans41 ?

Raymond

                  
Re: Calc-41
Message #6 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 10 Oct 2004, 6:41 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Raymond Del Tondo

Hello Raymond,
Here are a couple of excerpts from their README files:

From Calc/41 v. 3.02 README:

               CALC41 Professional Scientific Calculator Software

Copyright (C) Eclipse Logic Inc., 1985-1988. All Rights Reserved Copyright (C) Tacit Logic Systems Inc., 1989. All Rights Reserved

Ver 3.02

Tacit Logic Systems Inc. P.O. Box 231178 Tigard, Oregon 97223 Sales & Support 503/684-6088 BBS 503/678-1040

(...) Release 3.00 : 02/15/1989 Added GTO .--- function within the Program Editor. During Editing, if R/S key is pressed STOP function is inserted. Combined Both ELI-41 and ELI-41SX products into a single package called Calc/41. The Calc41.exe program supplied is same as the ELI-41SX program. The Calc41P.exe program is the POP-UP program. Added /B parameter to Calc41P.exe program to display on composite monitors. Instructions for running these programs are the same as the ones provided in the manual, except for the POP-UP. The Calc41P is loaded as a POP-UP by default. Another words there is no command line option to make it a POP-Up. (...)

From Trans41 v. 3.00 README.DOC:

Transfer/41: Programs & Data Upload/Download to/from HP-41 and PC Version 3.00

Copyright (C) Tacit Logic Systems Inc., 1989. All Rights Reserved Copyright (C) Eclipse Logic Inc., 1986-1988. All Rights Reserved

Tacit Logic Systems Inc. P.O. Box 231178 Tigard, Oregon 97223 Sales & Support 503/684-6088 BBS 503/678-1040

(...) Release 2.0 now supports the Global and Local labels used in the Calc/41 Version 2.0 and up. The control character generated for Global labels is 'L' and for Local labels is 'M'. (...)

It is clear that they were from the same company; the products that evolved into Calc/41 were ELI-41 and ELI-41SX.
I don't own any of these but from the PCMag review of ELI-41 2.20 I can see that Calc/41 retains the same interface.

These are the contents of the Calc/41 floppy:

12/06/1988  22:16                   51 TONE5.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                1.536 ROOTS.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                  196 STORE.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                   51 TONE8.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                  794 AREA.CNV
12/06/1988  22:16                  357 LENGTH.CNV
12/06/1988  22:16                  292 POWER.CNV
12/06/1988  22:16                  191 VOLUME.CNV
12/06/1988  22:16                   42 TONE9.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                   51 TONE6.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                   51 TONE7.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                   51 TONE4.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                   51 TONE1.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                   51 TONE2.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                  253 FAR2CE.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                   51 TONE3.PGM
12/06/1988  22:16                   50 XEQTEST.PGM
22/07/1988  10:29                   63 AUTOEND
24/10/1988  12:53                  237 EVENS.PGM
24/10/1988  12:54                   81 GTOTEST.PGM
24/10/1988  12:54                  743 MARY.PGM
24/10/1988  12:55                   89 TAX.PGM
24/10/1988  12:57                   61 CONV.PGM
25/10/1988  13:12               22.400 QEDITINS.EXE
26/10/1988  23:33                3.646 LST2PGM.DOC
08/01/1989  13:48               23.904 QEDIT.EXE
11/02/1989  10:13               19.349 LST2PGM.EXE
20/02/1989  09:57                1.535 INSTALL.BAT
20/02/1989  10:24                   62 TRANSFER.PGM
20/02/1989  10:25                   69 AUTORUN
18/06/1989  11:03               81.536 CALC41P.EXE
20/08/1989  15:49              166.197 CALC41.EXE
20/08/1989  15:53                5.330 README
              33 File        329.421 byte

HTH,
Massimo

                        
Re: Calc-41
Message #7 Posted by Christoph Klug on 11 Oct 2004, 5:43 a.m.,
in response to message #6 by Massimo (Italy)

Dear Matthias,

today CALC-41 and TRANS-41 are only of historical interest. Much better is EMU41 which includes much more features than CALC-41 and TRANS-41 in combination...

May be it is nice for a collector to store software tools like CALC-41 plus TRANS-41 and LinkPlus to the harddisc drive on a PC, which runs HP41 applications. I do this - but for practical work now I only use EMU41 :-)

Regards - Christoph Klug

                              
Re: Calc-41
Message #8 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 11 Oct 2004, 6:38 a.m.,
in response to message #7 by Christoph Klug

That's right Christoph,
I bought it only for collecting sake; no practical use nowadays.

Massimo

      
Re: Calc-41
Message #9 Posted by Bill Smith on 11 Oct 2004, 5:59 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Matthias

I have both Calc41 and Trans41. It's true that emu41 is much better, especially with use of ROM image files. But Trans41 is very useful if you have a 82973 PC-IL interface, for storing files on a PC, or downloading files from the internet via a PC.

I tried to find Tacit Logic to explore copyright issues, but their phone was disconnected.

            
Re: Calc-41
Message #10 Posted by Christoph Klug on 12 Oct 2004, 3:12 a.m.,
in response to message #9 by Bill Smith

Dear Bill,

remember that also EMU41 is compatible to the HP-IL/PC Interface card.

The full software version of EMU41 includes advanced HP-IL support - than EMU41 is able to control external, real IL-Devices plus some internal, virtual IL-Devices.

EMU41 includes two virtual hard disc drives for storing data. Furthermore a DOS file, which works as gateway to external PC and WEB applications.

Therefore EMU41 replaces TRANS41 completely...

Best regards - Christoph Klug

                  
Re: Calc-41
Message #11 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 12 Oct 2004, 6:20 a.m.,
in response to message #10 by Christoph Klug

BTW: is there still a special EMU41 for the HP200LX?

Ciao.....Mike

                        
Re: Calc-41
Message #12 Posted by J-F Garnier on 12 Oct 2004, 6:47 a.m.,
in response to message #11 by Mike (Stgt)

There is a special Emu41 version running on HP95/100/200LX. I presented it during the Allschwil meeting last year on my HP95LX, see
http://membres.lycos.fr/jeffcalc/allschwil.html

If there is enough interest for it, I may work on it a little bit more to make it more confortable. HP-IL will not be supported on 95/100/200LX machines...

J-F

                              
Re: Calc-41
Message #13 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 12 Oct 2004, 7:40 a.m.,
in response to message #12 by J-F Garnier

Hello JF!

You gave me your "EMU41 special LX" in Allschwil, my question is: did you update it too when you published a new revision of EMU41 "public version"? The 200LX is still "my" working horse, all PCs arround the donkeys for backup <G>. And for Emu48, Emu42, and Emu28 of cause <VBG>.

Ciao.....Mike

BTW: the explanation for my routine names of NutEm will follow offlist. C'est trop special pour expliquer ici. M.

                              
Re: Calc-41
Message #14 Posted by Claudio on 12 Oct 2004, 11:18 a.m.,
in response to message #12 by J-F Garnier

You are sure that there is enough interest for it!!

It's a dream for me to have your wonderful EMU41 on my HP100LX!!!!! :-)

Claudio

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Re: Calc-41
Message #15 Posted by Emmanuel, France on 12 Oct 2004, 11:53 a.m.,
in response to message #10 by Christoph Klug

Just a question of point of view...
I always use Calc41 and specially Trans41 for dissasembling HP-41
and storing/downloading programs or ROM images.
Calc41 uses Trans41 program files translated into *.PGM
and Trans41 make those built on Calc41 available to HP-41.
Those programs were the first I got with an IBM 80286 and its HP82973A HP-IL/PC Card. ;o)
                  
Re: Calc-41
Message #16 Posted by Bill Smith on 12 Oct 2004, 12:49 p.m.,
in response to message #10 by Christoph Klug

Yes, I am aware of the expanded capabilities of the latest emu41; at this point I still use the free version. Probably will upgrade this winter, when the nights are long and I can spend time with my old computers and calcs instead of my old bikes and fishing poles.

Best regards,

bs


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