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New List Message #1 Posted by Matthias on 5 Oct 2004, 10:20 a.m. Hi I just uploaded a new HP-41 module list with new datas and some bug fixes. New is on the right side a part for your collection. Print out the paper and you have a full database of your HP-41 modules. http://www.hp-collection.org/Modul%fcbersicht.pdf Yours, Matthias

Re: New List Message #2 Posted by Matthias on 5 Oct 2004, 4:46 p.m., in response to message #1 by Matthias On my work I posed a lot of question. Maybe someone can answer at least one of them: 0) Are the "P-3B/C APAC 82 module" and the "C141B FSC module" a Boeing module? 1) Are all modules described as Boeing modules really from Boeing? I´m not a aviation freak and do not know the airplanes, sorry. 2) Does someone has a manual of any of the Aviation modules (Boeing, Cessna, Airforce, not the HP-Aviation)? 3) Is there a manual for the "3421 CONTROL" module or is there only the HP-41 library "Control Systems"? 4) Is it correct that "AstroROM" and "AstroROM 2" have the same manual? 5) There are 3 different colored overlays for GMAC I-III. The label on it is allways the same. What´s the use of these three overlays? 6) Hase anybody a overlay or a manual for the "Forecaster 2 module"? Does it exists? 7) What sort of module is the "HEPAX 1B"? Standard or Advanced? Does the CAT2 really not show the "-" before "HEPAX 1B"? 8) Are there really two "NavCom" modules? I have one module that says NavCom 2 in CAT2, but the overlay says NavCom. 9) Does the "Speed machine module" and the "Speed machine II module" really have the same oberlays? A) Who produced the "Sun Shooter 41TM CO-OP Module"? B) What is the difference between the "Dr. Z Ractrack module" and the "RACETRACK EC41-533 module"? C) Does a special "Zengrange programmer ROM" exists, or were the 4k copied on the empty ZEPROM by standard? D) Has someone more informations concerning the following modules: BCMC (what is this?), CvPAK, Educalc Service ROM, Flight Test, HPCC-Keys 2, HPCC-Keys 3, ICODE , JimROM, LandNav, LAITRAM XQ-2, MCODE 1A, PARIO 1A, SMI Plotter Module, SV-ROM 01, SURV -505-1/-505-2, SURV -505-3/-403-4, Tools, ToulROM If you have a manual of one of the custom modules, please let me know. I would like to collect as many of them as possible. Additions to my list are very welcome. Please send me any information you have, any correction on my list, so that the HP-41 community can benefit from this list. I will do my very best to keep you informed with all informations I have. Yours, Matthias www.hp-collection.org

Re: New List Message #3 Posted by Matthias on 5 Oct 2004, 5:01 p.m., in response to message #2 by Matthias Sorry, maybe this is better to read: On my work I posed a lot of question. Maybe someone can answer at least one of them: 0) Are the "P-3B/C APAC 82 module" and the "C141B FSC module" a Boeing module? 1) Are all modules described as Boeing modules really from Boeing? I´m not a aviation freak and do not know the airplanes, sorry. 2) Does someone has a manual of any of the Aviation modules (Boeing, Cessna, Airforce, not the HP-Aviation)? 3) Is there a manual for the "3421 CONTROL" module or is there only the HP-41 library "Control Systems"? 4) Is it correct that "AstroROM" and "AstroROM 2" have the same manual? 5) There are 3 different colored overlays for GMAC I-III. The label on it is allways the same. What´s the use of these three overlays? 6) Hase anybody a overlay or a manual for the "Forecaster 2 module"? Does it exists? 7) What sort of module is the "HEPAX 1B"? Standard or Advanced? Does the CAT2 really not show the "-" before "HEPAX 1B"? 8) Are there really two "NavCom" modules? I have one module that says NavCom 2 in CAT2, but the overlay says NavCom. 9) Does the "Speed machine module" and the "Speed machine II module" really have the same oberlays? A) Who produced the "Sun Shooter 41TM CO-OP Module"? B) What is the difference between the "Dr. Z Ractrack module" and the "RACETRACK EC41-533 module"? C) Does a special "Zengrange programmer ROM" exists, or were the 4k copied on the empty ZEPROM by standard? D) Has someone more informations concerning the following modules: BCMC (what is this?), CvPAK, Educalc Service ROM, Flight Test, HPCC-Keys 2, HPCC-Keys 3, ICODE , JimROM, LandNav, LAITRAM XQ-2, MCODE 1A, PARIO 1A, SMI Plotter Module, SV-ROM 01, SURV -505-1/-505-2, SURV -505-3/-403-4, Tools, ToulROM If you have a manual of one of the custom modules, please let me know. I would like to collect as many of them as possible. Additions to my list are very welcome. Please send me any information you have, any correction on my list, so that the HP-41 community can benefit from this list. I will do my very best to keep you informed with all informations I have. Yours, Matthias www.hp-collection.org

Re: New List Message #4 Posted by J-F Garnier on 6 Oct 2004, 6:59 a.m., in response to message #3 by Matthias Hello Matthias, Some partial answers: 3) Is there a manual for the "3421 CONTROL" module or is there only the HP-41 library "Control Systems"? The only HP-41C ROM I know related to HP3421 is the 44468A DataAcquisition-Control Pac and there is a manual for it. 7) What sort of module is the "HEPAX 1B"? Standard or Advanced? Does the CAT2 really not show the "-" before "HEPAX 1B"? Hepax Sandard and Advanced use the same ROM 'HEPAX 1x'. The letter 'A' to 'D' indicates the software revision. AFAIK, there is a leading '-', at least on the C revision. I will check all the revisions on Emu41 (I own all the revision images, but only one real module...) D) Has someone more informations concerning the following modules: BCMC (what is this?), CvPAK, Educalc Service ROM, Flight Test, HPCC-Keys 2, HPCC-Keys 3, ICODE , JimROM, LandNav, LAITRAM XQ-2, MCODE 1A, PARIO 1A, SMI Plotter Module, SV-ROM 01, SURV -505-1/-505-2, SURV -505-3/-403-4, Tools, ToulROM Do you mean BCMC or BCMW? BCMW was (still is?) a french company who was involved a lot in HP applications. I have ROM images of some BCMW ROMs, some partially corrupted, so I never successed to make them run or even understand their purpose. I have some information on LAITRAM XQ-2, but no ROM or ROM image. SV-ROM1 is a EPROM set (not a module) made by Serge Vaudenay (can be found somewhere, maybe on Emmanuel Compes site) ToulROM was a EPROM set made by PPC-Toulouse (France). 'Toul' in french is pronounced like 'tool' ... J-F

Re: New List Message #5 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 6 Oct 2004, 9:31 a.m., in response to message #4 by J-F Garnier Hello JF! I still use your MFENTRY.ADD * Title: HP-41 Entry Points * Time stamp: Tue Jan 7 13:49:07 1986 * Number of globals: 757 Is there somewhere a more complete list arround? With XF, Time, HPIL, etc.? Ciao.....Mike

Re: New List Message #6 Posted by J-F Garnier on 7 Oct 2004, 6:24 a.m., in response to message #5 by Mike (Stgt) Hi Mike, This file was generated from the HP SDS II development system, I don't remember the exact tool I used to do it. So it's the only official list I know. J-F

Re: New List Message #7 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 7 Oct 2004, 7:40 a.m., in response to message #6 by J-F Garnier Hi JF! Seems I shoud type it as it helps a bit to read trace outputs. Ciao.....Mike BTW: isn't there a list in David ASS? at least in the add-on? ...

Re: New List Message #8 Posted by Matthias on 6 Oct 2004, 1:02 p.m., in response to message #4 by J-F Garnier Hi J-F I do not know the "44468A DataAcquisition-Control Pac". Do you have a manual for this? I got a HP-41 Library called "Control Systems" with the module. WHat´s the use of this library? Matthias

Re: New List Message #9 Posted by J-F Garnier on 7 Oct 2004, 6:20 a.m., in response to message #8 by Matthias Matthias, You can find more info on it at TOS (as we still have to call it like this...) in the HP-IL peripheral section. J-F

Re: New List Message #10 Posted by Emmanuel, France on 7 Oct 2004, 10:23 a.m., in response to message #3 by Matthias 0) Are the "P-3B/C APAC 82 module" and the "C141B FSC module" a Boeing module? 1) Are all modules described as Boeing modules really from Boeing? I´m not a aviation freak and do not know the airplanes, sorry. >P-3B or P-3C is a Lockheed aircraft named Orion. APAC for Aviation PAC and 82 for 1982 (?!) C141B made by the same manufacter is a Starlifter. 7) What sort of module is the "HEPAX 1B"? Standard or Advanced? Does the CAT2 really not show the "-" before "HEPAX 1B"? >I only know three versions of Hepax ROM : 1B, 1C and 1D. I had a Standard Hepax with 8K RAM and 16K ROM, and an Advanced Hepax with 16K RAM and 16K ROM. I read that Hepax Memory module (8K) and Hepax Double Memory Module (16K) also existed. C) Does a special "Zengrange programmer ROM" exists, or were the 4k copied on the empty ZEPROM by standard? >Programmer was a ROM made by Zengrange Ltd for burning Zeprom Module on a Zeprom Programmer, ... I have a Gunzen with 'HP' module and had another one with 'Zengrange' reprogrammable Zeprom Module. Zengrange Module policy was quite curious. D) Has someone more informations concerning the following modules : - BCMC : Certainly BCMW, specially for merchandising - HPCC-Keys 2 and HPCC-Keys 3 : cf. HPCC UK - LandNav : by Warren Furlow ?! - PARIO 1A : ProtoPARIO ?! - SV-ROM 01 : or ROMSV-01 for ROM Serge Vaudenay 01 - ToulROM : Toulouse Rom (former PPC Chapter), 4 versions (1A, 1B, 1C, 1D) To be continued... 12345

Re: New List Message #11 Posted by Wilson (Bill) Holes on 7 Oct 2004, 11:42 a.m., in response to message #3 by Matthias Hi Matthias, I have the ROMS (modules) of CvPAK, Laitram XQ-2, and EPROMs of ICODE, MCODE 1A, & PARIO 1A. I also have the 'original' manuals of all the above. I'm currently on vacation until the end of the month in Destin, Florida so have no access to them at this time. I'll contact you upon my return to Houston. Best, Wilson

Re: New List Message #12 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 7 Oct 2004, 11:58 a.m., in response to message #11 by Wilson (Bill) Holes Darn! Who had the idea to name his module MCODE 1A as I did too. <VBG> Ciao.....Mike

Re: New List Message #13 Posted by Wilson (Bill) Holes on 7 Oct 2004, 6:07 p.m., in response to message #12 by Mike (Stgt) Hmmmm, I wonder which of the three MCODE 1A ROMs I have EPROMs of are yours (if any) Mike. All three are different!!! Any ideas?? Again, I'll not have access to my 41 stuff until I return home on Nov. 2nd. so can't provide specifics until then. Best, Wilson

Re: New List Message #14 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 8 Oct 2004, 3:57 a.m., in response to message #13 by Wilson (Bill) Holes Hi! None of the MCode modules are from me as I never published it, I only mentioned it on my list. For more see here: http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/forum.cgi?read=64041. To be clear: when I tell Matthias to kick out -MCODE 1A and TOOLS 1A from his list I had in mind they where my two collections of functions and programs I had set up in the W&W RAM-BOX (and accidentally mentioned it's singular existence on my HP41). I did not know there are other modules named -MCODE 1A, existing as HW or as SW for a RAM-BOX or an emulator. Ciao.....Mike

Re: New List Message #15 Posted by Wilson (Bill) Holes on 8 Oct 2004, 11:27 p.m., in response to message #14 by Mike (Stgt) Hi Mike, I'm especially interested in 41 ROMs so this one really has me curious. I'm willing to send you a cat listing of the MCODE 1A's I own upon my return to Houston (early Nov.) in hopes that you are willing to compare them with your's. From what you stated I'm guessing that you never distributed your MCODE 1A's. Is it possible that 4 different ROMs with the same name and rev's exist?? Seems impossible but... Best, Wilson

Re: New List Message #16 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 11 Oct 2004, 4:59 a.m., in response to message #15 by Wilson (Bill) Holes No, not impossible. It would even be possible that two MCode programmers baptized independantly their ROMs "MFFOMCR" (My Favourite Forty-One MCode Routines") <VBG>. I suppose, you agree that the chance for more than one "-MCODE 1A" is somewhat higher. Ciao.....Mike

Re: New List Message #17 Posted by Matthias on 7 Oct 2004, 12:35 p.m., in response to message #11 by Wilson (Bill) Holes Thanks a lot Wilson

Re: New List Message #18 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 6 Oct 2004, 5:48 a.m., in response to message #2 by Matthias Hallo Matthias! First: tnx a lot 4 publishing your list -- when will be the nxt meeting in Allschwil? <VBG> Second: your question D) throw out -MCODE 1A and TOOLS 1A. There was, is, and never will be a piece of hardware of it. You probably found them in my list at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/nutem/romim.htm. Those two are my collections of programs and functions in the RAM-BOX, the first is from walking through "MCode 4 beginners" (only SEED and RN are my own work), and the second one contains some everydays tools and a barcode printer (my own, started from the scratch) for the HP2225B as for long time I had no SquidBC. Ciao.....Mike Here the listing of RN and SEED (CX only, IIRC move only 1k (x400, x800, xC00) Without seed part of time is used as seed and stored in buffer #9 - which is deleted by OFF/ON or PACK. B400 04E C=0 ALL B401 35C PT= 12 B402 250 LC 9 B403 260 SETHEX B404 3F0 PERSLCT B405 130 LDI B406 0C0 CON 192 B407 108 SF 8 B408 1AD * B409 16A NCGO 5A6B B40A 084 D B40B 005 E B40C 005 E B40D 013 S B40E 0F8 C=REG 3/X B40F 361 * b410 050 NCXQ =CHK_NO_S B411 158 M=C B412 3E9 * B413 08C NCXQ =GSB768 B414 033 JNC +06 B41A B415 038 RDATA B416 000 NOP B417 2EE ?C#0 ALL B418 321 * B419 0C3 CGO 30C8 B41A 2A0 SETDEC B41B 198 C=M B41C 106 A=C X B41D 130 LDI B41E 003 CON 03 B41F 146 A=A+C X B420 03C RCR 3 B421 0A6 A<>C X B422 35C PT= 12 B423 250 LC 9 B424 010 LC 0 B425 050 LC 1 B426 2F0 WDATA B427 3E0 RTN B428 08E N B429 012 R B42A 3E9 * B42B 08C NCXQ =GSB768 B42C 07B JNC +0F B43B B42D 389 * B42E 140 NCXQ 50E2 B42F 038 RDATA B430 05A C=0 M B431 07C RCR 4 B432 3F0 PERSLCT B433 2A0 SETDEC B434 266 C=C-1 X B435 158 M=C B436 0A6 A<>C X B437 270 RAMSLCT B438 375 * B439 03C NCXQ =GOSUBH B43A 015 * B43B 0FC NCXQ 3F05 B43C 046 C=0 X B43D 07C RCR 4 B43E 2A0 SETDEC B43F 10E A=C ALL B440 04E C=0 ALL B441 35C PT= 12 B442 250 LC 9 B443 210 LC 8 B444 090 LC 2 B445 050 LC 1 B446 130 LDI B447 003 CON 03 B448 135 * B449 060 NCXQ =MP2_10 B44A 10E A=C ALL B44B 04E C=0 ALL B44C 19C PT= 11 B44D 090 LC 2 B44E 050 LC 1 B44F 050 LC 1 B450 0D0 LC 3 B451 090 LC 2 B452 1D0 LC 7 B453 01D * B454 060 NCXQ =AD2_10 B455 084 CF 5 B456 0ED * B457 064 NCXQ =INTFRC B458 158 M=C B459 0EE B<>C ALL B45A 375 * B45B 03C NCXQ =GOSUBH B45C 01A A=0 M B45D 0B9 * B45E 04A NCGO =RCL Edited: 6 Oct 2004, 9:13 a.m.

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