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HP 17bii+ picture!
Message #1 Posted by Jonas Lf on 16 July 2003, 9:57 a.m.

Look at this (rusian) site... It appears to be a picture of the uppcoming hp 17bii+. I rather like the look!

http://www.officemart.ru/news_detail_8163.htm

/Jonas

      
Re: HP 17bii+ picture!
Message #2 Posted by Harry on 16 July 2003, 10:17 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Jonas Lf

Looks a bit liek the 10bII

10bII

regards, Harry

            
Re: HP 17bii+ picture!
Message #3 Posted by Scuba Diver on 16 July 2003, 10:20 a.m.,
in response to message #2 by Harry

It looks a LOT like the 10BII! Hopefully ir doesn't suffer from the same quality control issues as the 10BII!

The interesting thing is the reference to CITIZEN...any ideas???

B.

            
Quality?
Message #4 Posted by Patrick on 16 July 2003, 12:52 p.m.,
in response to message #2 by Harry

So, it appears likely that the technology of the new 17BII+ will be on about par with the 10BII. As Ron says, the 33S will likely be the same.

So the question is, are there quality issues with the 10BII? I've never touched one, but they sure look cheaply made. Do they feel solid? How do the keys feel? Do they register reliably? Do they bounce? Is the display easily readable? Tell us more!!!

                  
Re: Quality?
Message #5 Posted by Scuba Diver on 16 July 2003, 1:16 p.m.,
in response to message #4 by Patrick

Well, I've played with a 10BII at the store, and it definately is of lower quality than the 10B. The keys don't have the same feel; in short, you can tell the difference, and it's not a good difference!

I read a thread on here a few months ago that talked about the "N" key sticking on many 10BIIs because the key is too close to one of the plastic stakes...not a sign of good planning and design!

One thing to keep in mind is that the 17BII+ will retail for about $120 US and the 10BII is nowhere near that price point. Although the design is the same, it's possible that the internals are more robust...who knows, we may be pleasantly surprised...emphasizing the word MIGHT! :)

B.

                  
Re: Quality?
Message #6 Posted by Gene on 16 July 2003, 5:57 p.m.,
in response to message #4 by Patrick

I quit using my 10BII after about a month because the FV key in the top right corner turned mushy and quit responding reliably to key pushes.

This was a contributing factor to the university where I teach the business math course deciding to change their recommended calculator from the HP-10B to the TI BAII Plus.

Oh well.

We'll see what this new puppy is really like soon, I suppose.

      
Re: HP 33s soon to follow
Message #7 Posted by Ron Ross on 16 July 2003, 11:01 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Jonas Lf

I suspect the new Hp33s will be along similiar lines also. Just imagine an Hp10bii keyboard on an Hp32s and Voila!!! Hp33s! Well double or triple the Ram on a 32s also, to maybe 1000 steps so as to justify a small number increment.

            
Re: HP 33s soon to follow
Message #8 Posted by jeff on 16 July 2003, 1:03 p.m.,
in response to message #7 by Ron Ross

I'd like more than just a few more program steps to justify that number increase. How about:
1. a two line display with softkeys like the 17Bii+.
2. 32k ram for programs
3. ability to enter, manipulate and display complex numbers as r + jx or magnitude and angle
4. shifted functions above the keys, alpha characters on that slanted key face
5. infra-red and/or serial cable input and output
6. clock and appointment functions
OK, I guess I am really hoping for a 42Sii+!

                  
I order one of those too :)
Message #9 Posted by Harry on 16 July 2003, 1:27 p.m.,
in response to message #8 by jeff

I have little to no hope it will be like that though.

Regards, Harry

      
Re: HP 17bii+ picture!
Message #10 Posted by Jonas Lf on 16 July 2003, 11:33 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Jonas Lf

A larger picture:

http://www.seodots.co.kr/hp17bii.html

            
Re: HP 17bii+ picture!
Message #11 Posted by Scuba Diver on 16 July 2003, 12:25 p.m.,
in response to message #10 by Jonas Lf

I wonder if the 17BII+ has any sort of I/O capability; IR port?

I don't think that many 17BII users took advantage of the IR port, so perhaps they've taken this opportunity to keep the price point low and removed it...

Now I'm interested to see what the 19BII+ looks like!!

B.

                  
NEW: HP 19bii+ picture!
Message #12 Posted by Mark Hardman (LED) on 16 July 2003, 10:00 p.m.,
in response to message #11 by Scuba Diver

Ask and ye shall receive!!!

HP-19ii+ is located at:

http://www.seodots.co.kr/AsaBoard/asaboard_show.php?bn=hp-calculators&fmlid=14&pkid=15&startTextId=0&buffer=14&thisPage=1&jk=1&mode=search&srchValue=&searchTemp=&term=

OK, it looks more like a concept drawing. But it does look nice IMO.

Mark Hardman

Edited: 16 July 2003, 10:02 p.m.

                        
Mark, you're a miracle worker!
Message #13 Posted by Scuba Diver on 16 July 2003, 11:33 p.m.,
in response to message #12 by Mark Hardman (LED)

It does appear to be a concept drawing, but it looks sweet! It has the fullsize enter key, which is missing on the 17BII+

I'll be lining up for that one when it goes on sale, let me tell ya!

B. P.S. Any idea how we can become beta testers? I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous and my left to be a beta tester...

                              
Re: Mark, you're a miracle worker!
Message #14 Posted by Mark Hardman (LED) on 16 July 2003, 11:47 p.m.,
in response to message #13 by Scuba Diver

What we need is a nice Korean speaking member of the forum to kindly translate this page for us.

A returned LDS Korean Missionary would do in a pinch.

Mark Hardman

                                    
Re: Mark, you're a miracle worker!
Message #15 Posted by Scuba Diver on 17 July 2003, 12:03 a.m.,
in response to message #14 by Mark Hardman (LED)

Unfortunately, most of the Koreans I know are mad because South Korea lost to Vancouver for the 2010 Winter games...they're not too keen on helping us gwai los out :) (I know, that's Cantonese, but I don't know any Korean!)

B.

                                    
Re: Mark, you're a miracle worker!
Message #16 Posted by Frank Wales on 17 July 2003, 11:58 a.m.,
in response to message #14 by Mark Hardman (LED)

Quote:
What we need is a nice Korean speaking member of the forum to kindly translate this page for us.

That's what the Fish is for:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.seodots.co.kr%2FAsaBoard%2Fasaboard_show.php%3Fbn%3Dhp-calculators%26fmlid%3D14%26pkid%3D15%26startTextId%3D0%26buffer%3D14%26thisPage%3D1%26jk%3D1%26mode%3Dsearch%26srchValue%3D%26searchTemp%3D%26term%3D&lp=ko_en&tt=url

                                          
I love babelfish
Message #17 Posted by Scuba Diver on 17 July 2003, 1:34 p.m.,
in response to message #16 by Frank Wales

According to the translated site, "The HP-19BII the financial calculator was sterilized."

Ouch...that explains why we haven't seen any 19BIIs around...they're waiting for the swelling to go down! :)

B.

                        
Re: NEW: HP 19bii+ picture!
Message #18 Posted by Raymond Del Tondo on 17 July 2003, 12:31 p.m.,
in response to message #12 by Mark Hardman (LED)

Yes, this one looks very stylish. As Scube Diver noted, it has the ENTER/INPUT key :-)

And it has the 'Printer' key.

Let's see it in real, please.

Raymond

            
Re: HP 17bii+ picture!
Message #19 Posted by Raymond Del Tondo on 16 July 2003, 2:12 p.m.,
in response to message #10 by Jonas Lf

It's nice to see the original HP-17BII just right to the '17BII' :-) Just below the beamers, and above the cashier's machine.

However, I have a 10BII, and I must say, the keyboard is *not* reliable.

Maybe they solved the other problems, like the rubber feet, which were too small in the 10BII. Lets hope they improved the keyboard, else the machine is just trash.

BTW: I could imagine a 19BII+ to have an alpha keyboard like some of the older Casios, only some contact sheets behind a flexible plastic 'curtain' , at least after seeing the new 17BII;-)))

Raymond

      
Re: HP 17bii+ picture!
Message #20 Posted by Justin on 17 July 2003, 8:24 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Jonas Lf

It seems to have a Print key...does anyone know if the IR printer is still made?


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