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fascinating... (31E, spice)
Message #1 Posted by Mr. Spock on 14 June 2003, 9:00 p.m.

Was just dismantling a 31E, and noticed that it has exactly the same number of chips as a 34C.

There are 3 smaller IC's, and a large IC.

This means that the build-cost for the cheapest and the most expensive in the spice lineup,was completely and absolutely identical.

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. Marketeers are most illogical. Their only focus is to extract the maximum amount of money possible from each possible customer, using artificially contrived "models" in a product line to force people to make different selections based upon their limited resources.

What a primitive culture that based their manufacturing of scientific tools in this way.

      
Re: fascinating... (31E, spice)
Message #2 Posted by David Ramsey on 14 June 2003, 9:12 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Mr. Spock

Quote:
Was just dismantling a 31E, and noticed that it has exactly the same number of chips as a 34C.

There are 3 smaller IC's, and a large IC.

This means that the build-cost for the cheapest and the most expensive in the spice lineup,was completely and absolutely identical.


Actually, no, it doesn't...unless the 4 chips used are identical to the chips in the 34C.

      
Re: fascinating... (31E, spice)
Message #3 Posted by Michel Beaulieu on 14 June 2003, 9:13 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Mr. Spock

Perhaps the same to produce but not the same cost to develop and "invent" :-).

      
Re: fascinating... (31E, spice)
Message #4 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 14 June 2003, 9:20 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Mr. Spock

Cheers from an inferior, emotional life form, Mr. Spock;

I would humbly add these facts:

HP33E/C - two chips HP37E - four chips HP38E/C - three chips

Have not seen an HP32E inside already, cannot say much about it.

Hey, does Norm know you're using his e-mail address? Are you both acquainted? Do you know Captain Zener as well?

If you allow me: Live Long and Prosper...

Luiz c. Vieira - Brazil

            
Re: fascinating... (31E, spice)
Message #5 Posted by David Smith on 15 June 2003, 4:13 p.m.,
in response to message #4 by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil)

The number of chips in the machines is not a constant. Some later versions of the models combined two of the small chips.

Also, it can be hard to tell if a Spice CPU chip will work with a different model or a different small chip set within the same model. They do not seem to be compatible like all the Woodstock ACT chips are.

      
Re: fascinating... (31E, spice) (Long)
Message #6 Posted by bill platt on 14 June 2003, 10:11 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Mr. Spock

Yes, the marketing thing.....

I think their is a name for it, something along the lines of "market insertion at all price points" or something like that.

A story from the bicycle world: The greatest mechanical parts maker in the world is from Italy: Campagnolo (OK so the Japanese have some fine stuff too, I know.....) in the good old days (up through the 80's) the only difference between some of parts in the top of the line and the 2nd and third was how many years had elapsed since the last top of the line release, e.g. a 1988 "Victory" part (3rd down the line) was identical to a 1986 "Record" (top of the line) part, whereas a "Chorus" (second) was the same as the 1987 "Record".

This feature was by no means absolutely consistent and their have always been some parts that are only in one line or another, and then sometimes there was a difference in polishing.

But also although the parts may have been the same, they were 3 years late, so amortisation of tooling etc had already been borne in large part by the first year etc.

I guess there might be a philosophical issue here, but I don't think I completely disagreee with the approach, although it can seem cheezy......

I guess the best example of this is really in women's fashion. The price is almost *only* a matter of what the market will bear.

regards,

Bill

            
fashion-ating
Message #7 Posted by db(martinez,california) on 14 June 2003, 10:35 p.m.,
in response to message #6 by bill platt

So Bill; If we can convince Carly that she looks younger and thinner with a 32k 42s with i/o stuffed into each cup then we're home free.

                  
Re: fashion-ating
Message #8 Posted by bill platt on 14 June 2003, 10:44 p.m.,
in response to message #7 by db(martinez,california)

Now, you got the picture..;-))

      
Re: fascinating... (31E, spice)
Message #9 Posted by Frank Wales on 15 June 2003, 9:28 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Mr. Spock

I passed your message on to Dr McCoy, and here is what he said:

I'm a doctor, not a marketeer, but even I know that the price of something has nothing to do with the cost of making it, and everything to do with what it's worth to the buyer to have it.

Just because you green-blooded Vulcans have no concept of using design as a way of making products better, it doesn't mean we humans have to suffer the same grey, boring fate; we stopped driving identical black cars a long time ago.

If you tried some of my Romulan ale sometime, you'd see why it's good enough to be banned in three quadrants, even though it costs the same to make as some of your vile herbal tea. But I suspect it would be wasted on your unemotional heart.

(By the way, you still owe me for the last bottle of ale you said was for your mother's temperament.)


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