HP Forum Archive 13

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Whither HP-11C Solutions Handbook? Message #1 Posted by Patrick on 22 May 2003, 4:43 p.m. I cannot find a .pdf version of the HP-11C Solutions Handbook (HP part # 00011-90009) in the Museum's CD set. I can't even remember seeing one being auctioned on eBay. Is this a rare beast? Too bad HP doesn't supply .pdf versions of these manuals like they do for the 12C...

Re: Whither HP-11C Solutions Handbook? Message #2 Posted by james on 22 May 2003, 5:19 p.m., in response to message #1 by Patrick Patrick My newly arrived set of CD's (Version 4.00) has it on CD4 in the Pacs directory - 11csoln.pdf - #00011-90009 - April 1981 - 101 pages. Incdidentally, I'm very impressed with the CD's - amazed to find the PPC Rom manual was on it - excellent! Regards

It's in my CD4, too! Message #3 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 22 May 2003, 11:17 p.m., in response to message #2 by james Hi and thanks! I was not aware of this book's contents. it's amazing! A lot of good stuff, indeed. As James mentions, if you have your MoHPC set, this is the first PDF in a name-sorted directory listing. Go there! Best regards. Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil

I am a dunce. Message #4 Posted by Patrick on 23 May 2003, 2:40 a.m., in response to message #3 by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) It turns out I hadn't copied CD4 to my work computer. I am such a dunce. In future, I recommend you not responding to anything I ask for a good 24 hours... gives me a chance to answer my own questions... Thanks for not laughing, guys! BTW... If you like the 11C book, check out the 15C Advanced Functions Handbook. It is quite incredible. Better than several numerical analysis course curriculums I've seen. I've actually got a paper copy of that one and I curl up with it just before going to bed some nights. Ok, now you can laugh.

Great issue! Message #5 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 23 May 2003, 4:54 a.m., in response to message #4 by Patrick Hi, Patrick; In my "close encounter of the third kind" with an HP15C (the one I bought in the 80's) I was not aware of the Advanced Functions Handbook because Brazilian version simply removed all mentions about it. When I bought an HP15C Owner's Handbook (English version) and I read that I started to search for it and could not buy it at that time. This manual was THE one I mostly wanted in the MoHPC and my brother (that was in USA last year) ordered the complete set for me. First thing was to entirely print the Advanced Functions Handbook (except cover) in its original size, scan the HP15C Owner's Handbook cover and print it in color with Advanced Functions Handbook as title. The first time I could read one... Amazing. Again, I was not aware of the HP11C's Solution Handbook, mostly because the original HP11C Owner's Handbook and Programming Guide has an excelent programming section that extends, as for applied techniques, to both HP15C and HP16C. I'd never imagine such a Solutions Book was available. Thanks again for your kind advise. Best regards. Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil

Re: I am a dunce. Message #6 Posted by Trent Moseley on 24 May 2003, 12:33 a.m., in response to message #4 by Patrick The HP-15C Advanced Functions Handbook is a "tour de force". It's too bad the author(s) did not receive any credit whatsoever. tm

15C Advanced Functions Message #7 Posted by james (UK) on 24 May 2003, 5:36 a.m., in response to message #6 by Trent Moseley Just had a quick look at the manual on my CDs - looks very interesting - I will need to add it to the list of stuff to covertly print out at work - I'm not going to have a free lunch hour for quite a while.

Re: I am a dunce. Message #8 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 26 May 2003, 5:14 a.m., in response to message #6 by Trent Moseley What do you mean " ... It's too bad the author(s) did not receive any credit whatsoever" !?

Re: I am a dunce. Message #9 Posted by Trent Moseley on 26 May 2003, 2:26 p.m., in response to message #8 by Valentin Albillo I don't find any author given in my handbook printed in August 1982. Do you? Maybe I'm not looking in the right place. tm

Re: I am a dunce. Message #10 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 27 May 2003, 6:18 a.m., in response to message #9 by Trent Moseley Diana Roy, Robert Barkan and Hank Schroeder wrote the HP-15C Owner's Handbook. Professor William Kahan wrote a portion of the HP-15C Advanced Functions Handbook. Paul J. McClellan and Joseph P. Tanzini are the coauthors of the HP-15C Advanced Functions Handbook. Source: Hewlett-Packard Journal, May 1983, 11-page article "Scientific Pocket Calculator Extends Range of Built-In Functions" featuring the (then) new HP-15C, written by Eric A. Evett, Paul J. McCLellan and Joseph P. Tanzini. Regards.

I am a dunce, too. Message #11 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 27 May 2003, 12:11 p.m., in response to message #10 by Valentin Albillo Hi, Valentin; thank you! I never understood why User's Guides and Owner's Manuals authors are not mentioned in the books themselves. Maybe it's a contract clause, but I do believe they should be mentioned. In the HP15C Advanced Functions Handbook there are two mentions to the authors, but they refer to other publications, not specifically their credits for the Adv. Functions itself. I have a few HP Journal issues, and I do not have this one. I did not find the time to "dig" the MoHPC completely; is this issue coppied there? Thank you again. Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil

Re: I am a dunce, too. Message #12 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 27 May 2003, 12:28 p.m., in response to message #11 by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) Hi, Luiz: If it were available in this site, it should be at this URL: http://www.hpmuseum.org/journals/journals.htm alas, it isn't ! :-( Never mind, I'll send it to you if you want it and your e-mail account can accommodate an 8+ Mb attachment. Best regards.

Thank you! Message #13 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 27 May 2003, 12:36 p.m., in response to message #12 by Valentin Albillo Hello, Valentin; thank you; please, I'd like very much! BTW, do you have the HP journal issue related to the HP41's first appearance? It's date-of-birth is Jully 16th, 1979, right? If you also have it, would you be as kind as for sending it too? I'll first clear the one you're kindly offering to send now and let you know so you can send the second one, if you have it. I'm not sure if my e-mail account holds more than 10MBytes, but I'd not take the risk. Thank you again. Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil

Re: I am a dunce. Message #14 Posted by Gunnar Degnbol on 27 May 2003, 3:05 p.m., in response to message #10 by Valentin Albillo William Kahan talks about the hp-15c and the Advanced Functions Handbook in this very interesting paper on his site: MATHEMATICS WRITTEN IN SAND - the hp-15C, Intel 8087, etc. http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~wkahan/MathSand.pdf The stuff in the AFH was not included in the standard manual because "a prudent marketing specialist" told them that users would get scared if they looked in the box and saw a tiny calculator and a huge manual. There is much else in the paper.

Re: I am a dunce. Message #15 Posted by Trent Moseley on 28 May 2003, 12:24 a.m., in response to message #14 by Gunnar Degnbol GUNNAR THANK YOU! tm

Re: I am a dunce. Message #16 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 28 May 2003, 1:41 a.m., in response to message #14 by Gunnar Degnbol Hi; I sedcond Trne in his wild THANK YOU! I saw the complete page and downloaded other documants, too. One of our regular contrbutors in here knows Prof. Kahan in person. That's the sort of honor I'd like to deserve. Best regards. Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil

HP34C papers Message #17 Posted by Ellis Easley on 29 May 2003, 7:57 a.m., in response to message #16 by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) Did you notice two papers on the HP34C Solve and Integrate functions in Prof. Kahan's Math 128 directory? They are HP Journal articles that are on Dave's CD-ROMs but not online on the Museum. Maybe Norm would enjoy reading them! http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~wkahan/Math128/

Great references, Ellis! Message #18 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 29 May 2003, 10:53 a.m., in response to message #17 by Ellis Easley Hi, Ellis; this is good, good stuff, pall! Thanks alot! You see? We're more than 15 years ahead and admiring "ancient" technology no because it's ancient, but because it's still usefull and, in a sense, "up-to-date". Is it so hard for the new HP staff to understand what HP used to be and what it became? Just that. Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil

I am a dunce, no longer Message #19 Posted by Patrick on 28 May 2003, 10:21 p.m., in response to message #14 by Gunnar Degnbol Let me add my voice to the chorus of Thank-You's!! I am reading this paper right now and it is delicious.

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