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Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #1 Posted by Christof on 15 Apr 2003, 3:33 a.m. Well... I wonder if this is going to be the HP RPN scientific.... I'm curious, a quick search doesn't appear to give me any way to order this from within the US. Anyone else find anything? -C

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #2 Posted by Renato on 15 Apr 2003, 2:35 p.m., in response to message #1 by Christof Christof, I did some search on the web - no results. Even the manufacturer web site (in China) is obscure, and not always accessible. If you want one, I can buy it online in Brazil, and send to you. Renato

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #3 Posted by Christof on 15 Apr 2003, 6:07 p.m., in response to message #2 by Renato I'm interested, yeah. email me :)

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #4 Posted by Ellis Easley on 15 Apr 2003, 11:17 p.m., in response to message #3 by Christof Are you talking about the Aurora FN1000 that Massimo had talked about? Do you think it might be a HP12C clone? It looks like it has blue and yellow shift keys, and the feature list looks the same as the 12C including the calendar functions that not all financial calculators have.

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #5 Posted by Christof on 16 Apr 2003, 12:58 a.m., in response to message #4 by Ellis Easley It appears to be programmable, which simply means I must have it. (my collection would probably be best termed the Museum Of Handheld Computing- if I had enough of them and time to put pages up) If it's cheap enough, it might even be fun to hack.

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #6 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 16 Apr 2003, 3:13 a.m., in response to message #4 by Ellis Easley Ellis, Renato in his original post referred to a brazilian auction site where a seller is auctioning this calc claiming it is HP-12 compatible. Here is the auction's picture: http://www.mercadolivre.com.br/org-img/original/MLB/7428311_484.jpg This picture, albeit ruined by a pasted on writing, shows some of the keys you find on the HP-12C. It definitely is an RPN calc. Soon after I screened the web to find more info about it and finally found that chinese Aurora site. It would be interesting to try it out and see if they actually cloned the HP ROMs or came out with a compatible but original product. Massimo

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #7 Posted by Ellis Easley on 16 Apr 2003, 7:37 a.m., in response to message #6 by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) I don't know Portugese but I'll bet the text over that picture says "equal to 12C"! I like to have one of everything too - WalMart sells Aurora brand calculators, I think I'll ask if they can get it - I've bought two HP12C's from their closeout tables although I have never seen them in with the regular stock. I don't know if that means they are burned out on RPN financials or that they are looking for a cheaper model!

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #8 Posted by Ellis Easley on 16 Apr 2003, 7:45 a.m., in response to message #6 by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) Oops! I read to quickly again - you point out they are claiming it is 12C compatible. When I look at the picture on the Aurora site, I don't know off the top of my head how you make the 12C produce the display shown - "54-4333 65"

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #9 Posted by db(martinez,california) on 16 Apr 2003, 11:34 a.m., in response to message #6 by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) does that blue key say "alpha"?????? do we have a company trying to make and market a new rpn here? they need to sell something. where can we buy this? it's like heinlein said "anyone can clap and chear but real applause is green".

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #10 Posted by Christof on 16 Apr 2003, 11:42 a.m., in response to message #9 by db(martinez,california) It *looks* like theres a blue alpha, yellow something, recognizable y^x, and blue shifted legends above all the keys with a second legend above some fo the others. And while the kyes look suspicously similar to the ones on a 49g (ugh) it's *still* better than a 9s if it is a programmable RPN....

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #11 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 16 Apr 2003, 12:44 p.m., in response to message #10 by Christof It *looks* like theres a blue alpha, yellow something, recognizable y^x, and blue shifted legends above all the keys with a second legend above some fo the others And I also spot the usual financial keys ( n i PV PMT) besides GTO, x<>y, CLx, RDN, STO, ENTER... Massimo

Re: RPN Financial calculator Message #12 Posted by db(martinez,california) on 16 Apr 2003, 9:16 p.m., in response to message #11 by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) renato, luiz, marx, is this available in brazil or is it just one on an auction, and can you look at it and find if it exists and is rpn? if so then it is time for the dozens of people here who have participated in threads bemoaning hp for abandoning us rpn users, and others about making a new rpn, to cough up some dough. if aurora thinks there is a market they may make another one. they might even ask us users what features would cause us to buy one. i'll make it simple for them if they ask: a 32k 42s with i/o, and i don't care what color the shift keys are. DAVE: you speak chinese. how about a sideline business? i'll be your first customer.

Brazil price for FN 1000 Message #13 Posted by Renato on 16 Apr 2003, 11:23 p.m., in response to message #12 by db(martinez,california) It is being advertised as 12c equivalent. Business management students in Brazil are taught on how to use 12c. There are also many books on business math using 12c. Aurora and the distributor are obviously trying to catch a part of this. I donīt think they will be successful. It costs half as much as a new 12c, but IMO a used 12c would be the best option. Local Brazil price for the FN 1000 is R$179,00 (Brazilian Reais). Exchange rate to US$ is now around 3.1 reais to 1 us$ (it was 3.7 just some days ago). Shipping to US would cost around us$20. I can arrange to buy a few for you guys - not too many, as I donīt have the time. I could also contact the seller and ask if he would be willing to export (that does not make economical sense, but if you want it...) Hey Massimo - Ciao !

Is it available elsewhere? Message #14 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 17 Apr 2003, 1:49 a.m., in response to message #13 by Renato Hi Renato, guys; I was not following this thread since it started, I just read it right now. I know that it must be available elsewhere, but it seems it has not been noticed by other contributors in here. I took Renato's observations and it comes to my mind one question: are they testing market response in Brazil? Although strange, it may be possible. If it is not acceptable here and it becomes an unsuccessful product (a "fiasco") then it may be cancelled without associating the company's "good" name with an RPN-based calculator that did not sale as expected. I'm not a business guy, maybe this is all an hallucination of mine... Luiz C. Vieira - Brazil

I think I know what the display means - Message #15 Posted by Ellis Easley on 17 Apr 2003, 7:03 a.m., in response to message #14 by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) The picture on the Aurora site shows the display: "54-4333 65" I started browsing the HP12C manual thinking maybe it was an amortization schedule display or something and it jumped out at me - it is in program mode, it says: "line 54 - GTO 65" ("f" is 42, "g" is 43) Or it would if it was a 12C, so I'll bet it is - what are the chances of a prefix being "43" by accident? Since the key layout is different you can't use the keyboard as a key to read programs.

Re: I think I know what the display means - Message #16 Posted by Christof on 17 Apr 2003, 2:25 p.m., in response to message #15 by Ellis Easley Hang on now, there's something more to this. If one can in fact clone a 12C to that level, then it should be possible to make a cloned 42S without getting sued into the ground, no?

Re: I think I know what the display means - Message #17 Posted by Ellis Easley on 18 Apr 2003, 1:41 a.m., in response to message #16 by Christof I wonder if maybe Aurora is the OEM HP has been working with, and they gave them the rights to use the 12C chips to make a cost reduction. I think they would want to change the code so the key codes are "rectangular" but I wonder if there is anyone at HP who knows where the source and the tools are!

Re: Brazil price for FN 1000 Message #18 Posted by db(martinez,california) on 17 Apr 2003, 12:28 p.m., in response to message #13 by Renato renato; you are right; it does not make economic sense to import these one at a time, and by a route that crosses the equator twice. thank you for the information. i will look here now that i know it exists. someone said that wallywlrld carries aurora products and there is (sadly) one of those in town. be proud; you live in an rpn country.

Re: Brazil price for FN 1000 Message #19 Posted by Christof on 17 Apr 2003, 2:23 p.m., in response to message #18 by db(martinez,california) well, at the very least, since DB and I (and glen) live in the same region, shipping 2 (or 3) should be slightly cheaper than shipping one. (per item) Best by far would be to find a way to grab a gross and resell them here. Which I lack the funding for, alas.

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