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Long live RPN
Message #1 Posted by SHIF on 17 July 2002, 12:28 a.m.

I don't get it. Why did HP stop making scientific calculators with RPN? The venerable financial model 12c and others still use RPN as well as some of the graphing models. All of the current scientific models use algebraic entry logic, which seems illogical to me. The 32Sii is an awesome machine which was manufactured for many years. Why is it no longer made?

      
Re: Long live RPN
Message #2 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 17 July 2002, 12:35 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by SHIF

That, we all want to know, too.

Cheers. (and, if new in here, welcome! You get the spirit of this forum, as you have these questions, too.)

      
Re: Long live RPN
Message #3 Posted by J.Manrique on 17 July 2002, 2:57 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by SHIF

Why? Perhaps they are working in new RPN models.. why not? Use your ilusions.. I hope so.

The king has dead, long life the king, long life the RPN ;-)

Best regards.. J.Manrique #1077 HPCC Member

      
Re: Long live RPN
Message #4 Posted by Tom (UK) on 17 July 2002, 1:21 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by SHIF

Well it's a long story but calculators have become a cheap item. To make any money in the modern world you have to sell at a high price for small volumes or a low price in big volumes. Most calculator buyers are not prepared to spend alot of money on a RPN calc because you can but a much cheaper non-RPN one. (Most calculator buyers don't see the added value of RPN).

The pioneer series is being phased out (only the HP20S left?) and there apears to be no money to develop the next series of RPN calcs and HP can't spare the engineers to do it because they are working on PDA's etc. that HP think they can make more money on.

I think the HP12C was kept because in the world of accounting money is not so much a problem and the 12C is a nice desk toy. (Why they don't have a 11C or 15C in the same case I don't know).

Any way thats the way I see it - hopefully HP will prove me wrong and introduce a new RPN scientific (something like the HP42 - but don't mention the 'war' ... sorry I mean the 'HP42' because the thread will go on forever......)

            
Re: Long live RPN
Message #5 Posted by Trisnadi on 17 July 2002, 8:45 p.m.,
in response to message #4 by Tom (UK)

In the scientific calculator world, seems to me the algebraic calculators are leading the markets. Here in Southeast Asia, I believe Casio has the largest market share and all algebraics (does Casio make RPN?). I personally like RPN compared to the algebraics and also few others here that have been using RPN, but the most engineers don't. It is reasonable that currently HP focused on algebraic calcs because of the market. Probably that's why HP stops the 32sii (sad!).

As for 12c, here I found quite many people are using 12c especially business analysts. It is more to the reputation of the 12c and it is recognised as "standard financial calculator" for business analysts. So they always refer to "that small horizontal calculator" for financial calcs probably without even notice the brand.

As Indonesian proverb says "where there is sugar, there are ants."

Trisnadi

                  
Re: Long live RPN
Message #6 Posted by Ed Martin on 17 July 2002, 10:04 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Trisnadi

It seems a shame to me that HP can't market more calculators that let the user decide. Few of the "uninitiated" will look at or even consider an RPN calc, but we all know that once you try it, you don't want to step back down to algebraic.

HP had the foresight to create dual algebraic/RPN calcs (17B-II, 19B-II, 49G). Why can't they adopt this as a standard design philosophy and maybe educate a few of the algebraic masses along the way?

- Ed

                        
Re: Long live RPN
Message #7 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 17 July 2002, 11:57 p.m.,
in response to message #6 by Ed Martin

May your words be read (heard) by those who need to...

Good words.

                              
Re: Long live RPN
Message #8 Posted by Marcus on 30 July 2002, 10:42 p.m.,
in response to message #7 by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil)

Some mumble-mumble years ago a business major told me that HP 12C calculators were the ONLY calculators permitted in the U.S.A. professional CPA exam, so they were kept in production long after similar scientific calculators were unavailable.


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