|What about rounded corners???|
Message #3 Posted by Mark Hoskins on 12 Jan 2002, 9:26 p.m.,
in response to message #2 by Mike
You say: "You say that they are polluting the HP-67 gene pool. Do you realize that people are throwing these calcs out because they do not work anymore?"
My comment: But having a fake label will not stop people from throwing out a non-working calculator, does it? So, your argument fails.
>>Mike, you have twisted my reply in your favor. No but they may not try to repair it knowing that the label can be replaced. Mike your attitude fails. I am not personally attacking you. These comments are subjective, you take it like I am calling all collectors bad people.
You say:: "Why do you repair the gummy wheel?? I put that to the test. Do you realize that you are polluting the the few remaining HP-67s that do still work??"
My comment: What a bunch of hogwash! One does not pull a working wheel out to replace it. So it is not polluting anything at all. Replacing a wheel does not require destroying something original and preferred. Only a collector would understand that. So your argument fails.
Mike>> This reply is the most interesting your answer is that I can not understand. Understand what? I have 7 HP-67s, all the classics and several 41CVs and manuals and many other boxes etc. Your definition of a collector is not mine. You call me a reseller, but you resell too, and you demand top dollar for your efforts. This is the main arguement and your reply is that I can not understand. Yet is not all of engineering understanding and correcting our mistakes? By having so many that work now you are lowering the value of those that are mint. How would someone know if they are mint or not, as you fixed it. The original labels can be straightened.
You say: "If they were not fixable then the few remaining non-opened HP-67 that still work would be worth $1000 or $2000."
My comment: Working models ARE worth much more than repaired models. One original untouched sold for $1300 with a 65 selling for $2000. They are worth more. You are telling people to replace their acceptable (but maybe not mint) with a FAKE and thereby lower it's value. So, your argument fails.
Mike>> I have not seen that on Ebay at all, but I am not saying your exaggerating. Mint ones sell on Ebay for around $300-$400 with the box from obvious lone owners. You must be quoting selling them somewhere else in the last 6 months or I missed them.
You say: "So you see you have devalued those right? Why do you fix them?
My comment: You only devalue it, if you take something working and preferred and replace it with something fake. If someone is not trying to pass it off as original, why make it look the same. So, your premise is wrong and your argument fails.
Mike>> If you would step down for a minute from the soap box and listen I have to say? Instead of attacking me, why not look for reasonable compromises. Why not I round off the corners of my FAKE labels? In such a way then it would be obvious that they are fake duplicates. I could send you a picture.
You say: "I have worked hard to develope a reliable battery and have sold over 170 of them so far. Have any of you worked that hard to restore the use-ablilty of these calcs?"
My comment: Absolutely, I have restored many more original battery packs that you have ever sold. Further, I have never claimed, as you do (incorrectly so) that these batteries are superior to the originals. So, your argument fails. Many of us have been collecting for decades.
Mike>> They were superior in my tests compared to the text in the HP manuals. Therefore since I tested them such the statement was made. And I appreciate your dedication, please note mine somewhere low on your list. Have you fixed or built 170 in 6 months? I do not think so. Mike this forum is not a WWWF wrestling match. I have always treated you with respect even though I have received so few positive comments back. I will continue to treat you with respect because I believe that you are honest, hard working and dedicated to this hobby. Over time you will see that I am also. Good night my friend.
Exactly how long have you been collecting HP calculators? I have been doing it for 30 years. Others have too.